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some very serious concerns regarding Proton services, especially Proton Email:
archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g

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I see a lot of people mocking people who prefer setting up their own instances of real FOSS(famous as freetards in tech forums), then you see that these supposedly free/open/trusted systems are actually NSA honeypots and wonder whether there is any privacy left in non-self-hosted systems.

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@gurgen Interesting read. tho i don't get this notion of "secure/private email", especially when it comes with caveats like not being able to use IMAP.

and i personally consider any email communication as a priori public and compromised, just like with sms or phone calls. want a secure communication use something different

@gagik
imagine you have own mail server at home, and gurgen has own. Then the communication between you goes like encrypted client to server, then encrypted server to server and eventually encrypted server to client. same with xmpp/activitypub/whatever.
@gurgen

@inky i do get that, but correct me if I'm wrong. you are talking about email encryption, right? (PGP, GPG) what if you want to send an email to someone using gmail? my point is that as encryption in email communication is mainly opt-in and there might be many pain points i don't see why bother and not use other secure communication system instead.

p.s. tho it's still nice that massages on protonmail servers are e2e encrypted

@gurgen

@inky @gagik @gurgen the problem is that, if gurgen's account is compromised, the data is compromized, but if the email is encrypted, they also need to hijack the GPG session of gurgen.

it's all about better security layers.

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